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Flux Raeder
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:52:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.
Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out.
Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear |
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:06:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community
Butthurt much?
Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game?
No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive.
Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant.
If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped. |
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear So how do you expect any tanker to have good instincts and experience if they don't tank in pub matches? Oh wait, you don't care for vehicles anyway and would prefer them to be removed entirely.
I'll just be here waiting for you to show me exactly where I said that or even hinted that.....
Oh? Nothing? How odd...
As far as training your instincts and experience? How much experince do you hope to gain if all the weapons that pose any kind of threat to you are as underpowered as the whining minority if tankers (see what I did there?) would like them to be? Sounds to me like you just want a god mode, as it is the worst tankers out there already do nothing but destroy turrets (and for some reason all the friendly supply depots, do they not know or just not care how detrimental that is to their team? idk) and take half-hearted pot-shots at passing heavies.
My main beef with tanks in pub matches is this: if they are easily obtainable enough for five idiots like that to use in a single map then what do you honestly expect the rest of us to do? We should not have to devote half a team to taking on a single tank, let alone five, if av weapons were nerfed there would be so many vehicles in the field constantly that there would no longer be any gunplay because we are trying to do something about YOU.
I have said before in other threads that I am definitely willing to compromise. Give us a sticky explosive like c4 that has to be applied from within a foot of a tank instead of bs av nades, lower the power of each forge shot but lower the charge time and up the clip size and strike speed so it requires more skill than one or two lucky shots. Give us some proper proxy mines that are visible to a careful tanker but will blow the treads off of and temporarily immobilize someone less wary.
I'm hardly as unreasonable as you'd paint me out to be.
However the ops statement of everyone either being a tank of proto av as if it should not be so is just completely ignoring cause and effect: if I join a dozen pub matches and eleven of them end with the other team victorious due to their four tanks circling the map and LAVs kill-taxiing everyone between OBVIOUSLY I am going to spec into something to counter that. |
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:56:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit. Oh, great! Keep it up!
Would that "small bump" happen be similar to the ones that were kersploding LAVs that tried to off-road?
Lol I'm sorry, I troll, I trollolol |
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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:58:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community Butthurt much? Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game? No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive. Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant. If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped. i know you want so bad to be all cool and trash stb but make sure you at least do it right kid. i ws never complaining. i was mocking people like you. in fact, im glad you typed what you did because now i have it all in the same post and not only do you look like an idiot, you helped to make the guy above look like even more of a moron too. nice try, learn 2 forum lol ar users using what they specced into = fine tank drivers using what they specced into = OMFGWTFBBQ i chose tanks instead of an assault rifle so im a skilless spammer
It's funny being told to learn to forum by someone who doesn't even know how to read a forum post.
On the battlefield an ar soldier is just another infantry member, on average they get about 10-20 kills, whereas a tank is a TANK. It is a monster of metal and ammunition and a substantial threat to everyone on the field WHICH IS WHY everyone goes after it to try to nullify the biggest threat to their team.
Now, had you bothered to read into my posts my problem with op was that they are whining about people running weapons that could actually damage them in their metal fortress.
So from what the op said it seems that av users using what they specced into is an "OMGWTFBBQ" which I said was ridiculous.
I then went on to say that the reason so many people are speccing proto av is because there are way too many tanks per pub match. Five tanks on a field is ridiculous and yet it nears or reaches that almost every domination or ambush match.
I continued from that point to my next which was NOT that tankers should not use their tanks but that they CCP should balance the game in a way that makes it a more specialized vehicle.
A point that I backed up with the fact that if vehicle usage continues to increase, there will be so many people trying to av that there will be almost no gunplay, something I am already starting to see as a whole flock of blue errors comes out in av gear to have at the tanks, LAVs and dropships that are swarming the map.
On a more personal note: no, you are not a skilless spammer for choosing to spec into a tank, I know many players that are extremely good tankers and also have great gungame, however if I remember correctly (I do), your STB would roll nothing but tanks in the first build, you were notorious for it, and that was when there was almost absolutely no av to go against it.
The first thing I think of when I think STB is a dozen tanks rolling across the field and, on the rare occasion that one of you left the tank to hack something, a dead body because STB was full of hermit crabs.
Also, you people seem to be under the false impression that I am an assault rifle spammer, truth is the AR is the least used of my weapons, I am a field sniper (redlining is for pussies and staying still is dumb), hacker and uplink dropping scout, heavy av, I have tanks, dropships and LAVs (militia but when used right still get the job done and done well), and admittedly an ar suit for close quarter crunch times (btw I have proto at capabilities but I use a toxin for the fun of it).
Sooo, that argument is invalid as well.
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:17:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:after all that you are wrong. OP not complaining about people shooting him, he is saying CCP needs to balance tanks properly, e.g. for PC, not pub matches where teams and their fittings are very predictably bad, and where there is no teamwork.
who needs to read? and no, i didnt read your post, pretty useless wrong opinions
also, you better think of dozens of STB tanks rollin across the field. fact is,we dont have many drivers and we like to squad together. problem is, the other blueberries on the team feel its safe to call in their own cause we will protect them.
and.....ah **** i dont even care anymore, im in a game
And I just finished work, thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, I honestly mean that :).
Also, you're wrong. |
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:27:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:after all that you are wrong. OP not complaining about people shooting him, he is saying CCP needs to balance tanks properly, e.g. for PC, not pub matches where teams and their fittings are very predictably bad, and where there is no teamwork.
who needs to read? and no, i didnt read your post, pretty useless wrong opinions
also, you better think of dozens of STB tanks rollin across the field. fact is,we dont have many drivers and we like to squad together. problem is, the other blueberries on the team feel its safe to call in their own cause we will protect them.
and.....ah **** i dont even care anymore, im in a game And I just finished work, thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, I honestly mean that :). Also, you're wrong. np dude, here ya go. seems ya would fit in here Clicky
Aww thanks for the thought but I hate COD, always have.
Also very edgy trying to tell someone who disagrees with you over an fps to go play CoD, veeerrry edgy indeed. Kudos.
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:11:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Allow me to fix this up for you.. Charlotte O'Dell wrote:WAAAAHHHH PPL R ADAPTING TO MY TANK AND NOW I HAVE TO PLAY HARDER N MAYBE DIE AND I DONT LIKE IT WAAAAAHHHHHH NERF AV PLZ CCP OR ILL QUIT THE GAME CUZ MY TANK SHOULD NVR DIE WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH The sad part? CCP Wolfman actually responded to his ******** complaint. /thread Have you been in a tank and witness half its armor melt away from PRO AV? No, because I'm the guy peeling the armor away. And for reference - if I melt half your armor away in 1 shot, you fit your tank poorly. I've come across PLENTY of GOOD tank drivers who - despite being HEAVILY specc'd in to AV, and despite being VERY cunning about alpha'ing them - I just could not kill. If you're losing half your HP in one shot, that's not my fault. It's yours. Tank spam made me go Proficency IV in Swarms and Forge Guns, and made me get Proto Grenades. You tank drivers have nobody to blame for this epidemic of AV but yourselves. The majority of my SP has gone in to ensuring that I can counter tank drivers, all as a RESULT of tank drivers.
Basically all of ^^this^^. I have seen tanks survive several attempts from skilled av'ers to go on to ream the opposite team.
And once again, most of the people I know that are currently speccing into av, including me, are doing it for no other reason than we are sick and tired if having our matches ruined because the enemy has called in five tanks and a constant stream of kill taxis and nobody is doing anything about them.
For people to say that we are doing it because the weapons are op against vehicles is yet stupid, we are doing it because it is the ONLY thing to COUNTER vehicles. Frankly I'm sure a lot of us would rather be speccing into something else.
I understand that the mechanics of the game are seriously borked against the tankers, it is extremely expensive to spec into and run. I just thought of it but maybe the answer is to lower the sp reqs for the tanks so that you guys can spec into some infantry suits and raise the price so that they aren't spammed so much.
that actually seems like the best solution to spamming the ,but as the prev poster says and I said before: if it weren't for the ridiculous amount of vehicles every match what logical reason would there be for so many to go the av way? |
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